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Delhi is a vast medieval town of indisputable botanical beauty, spectacular red ruins, Sheila Dixit, and other charms. Its women, rumoured to be high maintenance as if there is another kind, take so much care of themselves that one would think the men are worth it (but they make a gesture that suggests puking when asked to confirm). Space is not compressed here. Everything is far from everything else. There are real gardens where you do not see the exit when you stand at the entrance. It has sudden small parks that in Bombay would have been called, ‘Chhatrapati Shivaji Mini Forest’. Homes have corridors, and they are called corridors, not half-bedrooms. Yet, Delhi has a bestial smallness of purpose.
Those men there who drive the long phallic cars, sometimes holding a beer bottle in one hand, there is something uncontrollable about them. Even for a man, it is hard to understand their mutation. What is the swagger about? What is the great pride in driving your father’s BMW, what is the glory in being a sperm? And what is the great achievement in stepping on the accelerator? It is merely automobile engineering—press harder on the pedal and the car will move faster. Why do you think a girl will mate with you for that? It is somehow natural that the contemporary version of Devdas, Anurag Kashyap’s Dev D, would be set in Delhi, where a man can debase himself because life does not challenge him, he has no purpose, whose happiness is a type of sorrow. This motiveless Delhi male, you can argue, can be found in Bombay too, where not all BMWs are hard earned. But that’s not very different from saying Bombay, too, has bungalows.
Like a rich man’s son, Delhi is a beneficiary of undeserved privileges. That is at the heart of Bombay’s contempt for Delhi. Bombay is a natural city, like all great port cities of the world. It was not created. It had to arrive at a particular moment in time, it was an inevitability caused by geography, shipping and shallow waters. Bombay eventually earned its right to be a financial force through the power of enterprise, which created a system that allowed, to some extent, anyone to stake a claim at wealth through hard work. That culture still exists. It is the very basis of Bombay. That is the whole point of Bombay.
But Delhi as a centre of power is an inheritance, a historical habit. An unbearable consequence of this is the proximity of easy funds for various alleged intellectual pursuits which has enabled it to appropriate the status of intellectual centre. It is a scholarship city, a city of think tanks, of men who deal in discourse, debates and policies. And of fake serious women who wear the sari the other way and become leftists, nature lovers and diurnal feminists.
Delhi, often, confuses seriousness with intelligence and humour with flippancy. People will not be taken seriously here if they are not, well, serious. There is much weight attached to the imagined sophistication of talk, of gas. It is a city of talkers. There is always The Discussion. When you are in Delhi, you have to talk, and then they talk, and they appear to be solving an enigma, they seem headed towards achieving some revelation. But then, you realise, they were peeling an onion, an act that leads to more peels and at the heart of it all, there is nothing. Delhi is an onion. It is a void-delivery device.
Of course, all this is a generalisation, but then generalisation is a form of truth. One of the most repulsive images I bear in mind of Delhi is a scene in JNU, when Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez delivered a special lecture. It was like a rock concert and Chavez, who is a scion of the same imbecilic philosophy that once destroyed the great economies of South America, was the star. As students pumped their hands in the air and cheered him for his anti-capitalist calling, I looked at their faces. I knew those faces. They were from homes that once profited from India’s socialist corruption, and then from Manmohan’s revolution. They were hip. They would, of course, later join MNCs and chuckle at their youthful romanticism. That moment in JNU was despicable because it captured a meaningless aspect of Delhi’s fiery intellectuality, and also laid bare the crucial difference between intellectuality, which is borrowed conviction, and intelligence, which is creativity, innovation and original analysis.
It is for the same reason that the greatest misfortune of Indian journalism is that it is headquartered in Delhi. Needless to say, like in any other city, Delhi has astonishingly talented editors, journalists and writers, but there is a Delhi mental condition which is incurable—a fake intensity, a fraudulent concern for ‘issues’, the grand stand. Readers, on the other hand, have many interests today apart from democracy, policies and the perpetual misery of the poor. But the Indian media, based in Delhi, refused to see it until recently and very grudgingly, when The Times of India proved it. It is not a coincidence that The Times Group, the most profitable media organisation in India, is based in Bombay. It is not a coincidence that the game changer came from here. In Bombay it is hard to convert air from either side of your alimentary canal into cash. You have to do something here. You have to work. It is appropriate that the National School of Drama, with its phoney distaste for money, is in Delhi. And commercial cinema is in Bombay.
It must be said though that in recent times Delhi has become somewhat more endearing. This is partly because of Bombay’s own degradation and its loss of modernity, and partly because of a remarkable cultural irony. Bombay’s films were increasingly becoming pointless because, like Delhi has those silver sperms in BMWs, Bombay’s film industry, too, suffers the curse of the privileged lads whose fathers were something. As actors with no real talent they could still survive, but some who did not look so good could do nothing more than remaking movies about love and parental objection. Then two things happened. The flops of the brainless boys from the film families gave opportunities to talent that had arrived from all over the country, including what is called North India. They were waiting, and when they got a chance they created a new kind of commercial cinema in which Bombay was not necessarily the focus. That resulted in the startling revelation here that Bombay is a culturally impoverished, rootless setting compared to Delhi. What films like Oye Lucky! Lucky Oye! and Dev D have achieved as hilarious, poignant and self deprecatory narrations of the North Indian way of life, has changed Hindi cinema, probably forever. So Delhi is being seen a bit differently in Bombay, with some affection too. Though, the best thing about Delhi will always be its winter. When there is this mist. And you do not see its people.

























































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Amazing article, to say the least, with an eclectic mix of humor and truth. Not that they both are/were mutually exclusive, but still.
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Going through your article felt like talking to oneself.There is indeed an inherent difference in the cultures of the two cities-one rather laid-back and easy,and the other active to the extent of annoyance.Slapstick definitely,but i'm glad i read your article.
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nice, interesting and arguably true !
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Everything said & written, i wish you had lil capacity to see things beyond mist, which you seem to be fond of... your article is like comparing apples to oranges but never mind, one cant expect too much from resident of Mumbai...
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Very true indeed! I have personally seen the 'spirit' of work in Mumbai, it is simply immortal. Delhi, on the other hand, is a spoon-fed child probably because it is the political hub of the nation quite unlike Mumbai which deservingly claims to be the actual developmental hub, in all senses, may it be economic, social or even some meaningful entertainment(cinema).
Almost all the problems in India are a birth of some filthy and corrupt politics and I'm glad that at least Mumbai is as far as possible from all that. We definitely need some more Mumbais, not in magnitude and size, but in spirit and culture.
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Well phoney and shallow they might be, but Delhites do not turn away people from other parts of their own country. So much for Bombay's inclusiveness, open mindedness blah blah...Then again, maybe a deeper view is too much to expect from someone who cannot look beyond the mist...
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once a sociologist told me, everyone come to delhi to gain but not give. so no one really belongs here:(
also totally agree with mayank about mumbai which loves to hate and not be inclusive. mumbai always displays its shop-windows but not the messy godown. delhi atleast has no underbelly - its all out there in open. but if open was to be so open about mumbai, open may just close there:)
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fonts used for comments are so unreadable. btw not using my actual name and mail id so that i am not spammed
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You have just presented one side of the coin, where 1 rupee (work) is printed. The world is about the other side also, where the "emblem" demands relation with humans.
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O what a rant...!
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I have never been to Mumbai, thank God!
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LOL! what a stunted article.
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Between Mumbai, Dehi, Kolkata, and Chennai, there is very little to choose...Mumbai is like a city in ruins...but ppl r spirited and enterprising...Delhi is neat and glowing, but ppl r bratty and brash...Kolkata ppl r full of culture and life, but decades of leftist rule has left it gasping...Chennai is like a beautiful woman past her prime with a bad smell in her armpits....we each hv our own reasons to live in a particular city, but we love or hate it depending on our emotional experience, past and present...and a city represents the collective experience.
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What a pity that such depraved nonsense can be so seductively written. Are we to believe that Mumbai's worship of commercialism and mediocrity is better than Delhi's occasional talent and accompanying pretentiousness? And that Delhi's fake intellectual concern for India's poor should be replaced by Mumbai's corporate forgetfulness? And that TOI is something a city can actually be proud of?
I don't care for either city, but I find the arguments being advanced utterly nonsensical.
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100% true and I could not have put it better myself.
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Well, this is something that only a person with stunted mental growth & delusional mind could write. While no doubts that Delhi is pompous for all those who wouldn't be able to accept the fact that its just a lifestyle... Delhi loves to live the luxury, if I have it Ill show it, if you have it, ill appreciate & compete, work hard, & spend harder to get it, better than you. Unlike Mumbai, you have it, thats unfair, you got it only because you were born in certain circumstances, or you came to my soil & then got it, that is why I didnt get it, it would never accept that it just doesnt know how to be happy & competitive, they can only sulk & make others sulk & point fingures for their incompetencies. Bombay cant make good roads, for their short sightedness & blame Delhi for eating on the Bombay funds!!!! Look at this only: both Bombay & Delhi are full of migrants, but ever heard Delhi saying you make me poor??? only Bombay can say that!!! are there any less Biharis, South Indians, or Marathis in Delhi?????
& Times of India is a pride!!!!!! every single page of that so to be called Newspaper is sold... go ask your journalist friends in Bombay..... You want yourself to be declared the mahatma, go pay TOI & you can do it, ask HT or Hindu they would throw you out of their office... Such foolish pride.....
The title proves the point of a Mumbai thought process: "undeserved privilege" How do you judge that its undiserved, & if you got a million dollar suddenly just like that from inheritence, would you not spend!!!! Ambani has a fucking Helipad on his rooftop.... now thats modesty, mumbai style...
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I guess it is the insensitive nature of the bombayites for the "perpetual misery of the poor" that has resulted in the biggest slum in Mumbai. And yeah if Mumbai had been left to the original residents it would have still been a fishing port. It is the intellectual thinking and intelligence of the non-residents that has resulted in Bombay eventually earning its right to be a financial force through the power of enterprise. I need not say more about the openness of Bombay towards those people who made it what it is i.e. the North Indians.
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Brilliantly written. I can agree with all the arguments but i guess this isnt what we are talkign about. I love bombay. Proudly so. I have in a sense inherited it. and as all things inherited go i am stuck with it. No matter which city i go i always think god damn bastrds have soo much space here.
I hate to admit it i like delhi and its getting better. But my grouse with delhi is that its sitting on piles of cash. Send some cash here u freaking bureaucrats. I dotn completely agree with all your arguments but i guess thats was the point of writing an article which is so completely one sided people on both sides of the fence end up dropping a comment. Bravo on that!!!!
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This article seems from one of the guys at MNS
It is not even hilarious it shows sheer hatred that we have developed against each other
May the writer be reminded that mumbai has been notoriously famous for dance bars and its the same thing that the mumbites used to watch in the girls and shower loads of money on them
Mumbai has been famous for underworld their gang wars and encounters
Bollywood has been exposed over and again for casting couch
Mumbai is no more the trading hub because the industry has been continuously moving to Gujrat
Gold smuggling and other illegal activities have always been part of bollywood plots remember amitabh bachhan saying sona varsova beach pe utre ga it never landed jamuna paar
The Jaat mentioned in the article can easily be equated with any body living in societies and chawls of mumbai
Symbolically Bse is in mumbai but the fact is that all the trading is done online
Mumbai has lost its past glory. Glory that it had when it was Bombay
I agree with most of the mannerism described in the article but that cannot be generalized to Delhi only. It's our national behavior. People like the writer who are good for nothing and believe that they own Mumbai and forget that when they are talking about Delhi it is not in Pakistan
And by the way oye lucky lucky oye was a much better humor than goli maro bheje mein kallu mama
I love delhi and mumbai equally I have made these comparisons just to ans the tapporis like the writer
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like one of the 'comments' says 'it seems like its from the mns'. the writer has no idea of history. the writer forgets that today's delhi was a result of one of the most savages acts ever - the partition. the writer forgets that a lot of families who came across left everything behind. that insecurity, that fear of losing, sometimes takes generations to wipe-out.
talking about 'talking about taking stands', let's not forget that bombay is the same city which saw unprecedented candle light vigils post 26/11 but a pathetic voter turnout in the elections that followed.
all cities in india are exactly the same. and that's because a politician in delhi is no different than the politician in bombay.
salman khan drives over pedestrians, sanjay nanda drives over pedestrians. girls are molested on the roads in delhi, girls are molested in the locals in bombay.
p.s. why is that people from all over slam delhites? and why not the other way around?
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why so serious? take a light-hearted view for what it is.
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The day you figure out how pushing on a BMW pedal can get you laid, you are welcome to delhi. till then you can try getting laid by writing your essays. hard luck :)
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Liked the take on the BMW lads, the same phenomena exists in Bombay as well, to as great an extent as Delhi today.
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I dont like both Mumbai and Delhi.. but what you wrote about Delhi people is spot on... and quite a dark sense of humor which people seem to have missed.
Ah. And those comments from the self righteous delhiites ... they just go to prove your point !
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I really like your writing style. The ending with the mist and not being able to see the people , very nice. I love the winters in Delhi. To be out early morning and see the empty roads , you sometimes feel this city is yours and yours alone. But its not. I am a Mallu who grew up in Delhi and I share it with a wide array of people from all over this magnificent country. Growing up you could ask anyone in my class where his/her parents of from and the majority would name some state other than Delhi. Everyone comes to Delhi. And it doesn't leave you even when you leave it. Is that too melodramatic? maybe it is but that's how I feel. To grow up in the midst of over 2-3 millennia of history is awe inspiring and even humbling. To say that Bombay is a righteous city , so because the people worked hard to achieve it and Delhi has been handed everything in a silver platter is a falsehood and you know it. This is the 4th oldest settlement in the world and surely it didn't just survive all these years because the people were sitting on their asses all day.And why is that all the Delhi bashing seems to come from just Bombay? Is it your way of changing the subject when the whole country says you stink of regionalism.
The first paragraph where you conveniently stereotype every Delhi boy into one category no doubt arose from the impression that you form from the influx of delhiites into the colleges in Pune and Mumbai. I have been perceived the same way by my two Marathi roommates in New Jersey , but that is what it is a perception. You clearly havent spent quality time with a delhiite. Please do. I am sure your mind will change. I have come across some exquisite variteties of assholes in Delhi. I also know the gentlest of human beings who are from Delhi. Surely Bombay is not devoid of a wide gamut of personalities ranging from the bodily orifices to the halo encrusted ones?
The enamored students could be as much from delhi as from the leftist states of Kerala and Bengal. Yes we have a rather eventful student politics which sadly is run mostly on the basis of caste. Loving your city shouldn't come at the cost of hating mine. As Sunny Deol says in Gaddar" Tumhara pakistan zindabad hain , isse hamein koi shikwa nahin hain, lekin hamara hindustan zindabad hai , tha aur rahega" - when prodded to dis India while being converted to Islam.
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ANY thing that can get a thumb up with a line from that fascist film Gadar (which gave us Gujarat pogrome in only few more months of stirring the worst hatred cinema ever has unless you can count Leni Reiflestahl's nazi movies) is not worthy of publication in worthy magazines like OPEN which is about OPEN HEARTS, no?
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It's strange how you are accusing delhites of being pompous, superficial and pseudo blah blahs, when your own article is a reflection of narrow-minded, rigid opinions gift-wrapped in Oxford english.
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Hmm - sort of like the sperm in the BMW, a throw away discussion among friends turned into a column. Pointless getting into your love for capitalism which has improverished as many as other systems perhaps, but capitalists are always a little fundamentalisht, so never mind. Many things you say are true, or were true, but Bombay's increasing homogeneity is a fascism of mediocrity don't you think? That's why no one holds the half made if interesting films of bad bombay boys up to higher standards no? Anyhoo, I've often liked your writing and followed it from journal to journal, so I'm just going to assume you were having a slow day....
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But why pick on jats?
Why are you profiling them?
What is your agenda?
I get a very bad feeling when any minority group is profiled in such a negative way.
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By Jove! how we love to hate each other. And then we wonder why do we have wars, why do people kill each other, why are people not more tolerant of views which are not theirs, why do Khans get checked at airports, why innocent Jews get killed in Nariman House, why books get banned in Gujurat, why Palestine and Israel fight, why Kashmir wants freedom, why taliban bans women from doing the same things as men are allowed, why does a Srilankan journalist get 20 years of prison for writing what he believed in, the list is long and I can go on and so can you!
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I agree... please don't fight over this issue now. It's alright not to show your contempt towards the article, now that many have already condemned it.
we all are brothers
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@Arjun Raju Adimari : Arjun, your words are worth their salt for every syllable, the good part about comments is that you come across veritable treasures after scouring through the grit that this article is.
I have personally seen both the cities and backpacked across them, in inclement weather (read summer in Delhi and Monsoon in Mumbai). I don't like certain things in both of them, tangible I mean. Infrastructure, amenities, autos and transport, help-desks etc and the works. And following the law of averages both cities have thrown surprises at me and given me cherished moments when I least expected them to. A city is not a black hearted clairvoyant who has sold his soul to the devil and is intent on garroting every other entrant into his realm.
Manu houses acrimonious and acrid feelings for some reason, and before I decided to write anything here I read some more of his articles. He mudslings mathematics in this ranting: http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/voices/seeing-through-maths . Something is quite wrong with the way he opines about the world and you guys can read for yourself.
I love both the cities and would love to see infrastructure develop the same way in Mumbai like it is in Delhi, and see Delhi imbibe the honest auto guys in Mumbai who down the meter first and then ask you where you wanna go. Both of them are our cities, boundless and liberating in their own ways.
Any one generalising any of these cities is a retard. Period.
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I have read other articles of Manu and they are all same.. At one place he just try to bash north indians.. I wonder if he same bengali guy who was slapped many times by the JAT in his story...
But I am surpised he decided to take on Jats without even knowing them a little .He doesnt like way the Jats speak ,though same language is spoken by millions living in Haryana ,delhi ,west UP who are not Jats. He is too myopic to understand new culture .He forgot that Jats form single largest community in Indian Defense forces and are majority in Jat regiment ,Rajputana Rifles ,Sikh Regiment and Punjab Regiment in Indian Army ..
I can only laugh at you Manu and your upbringing ....
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@ Abhay
I hear ya brother, I hear ya.
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Nicely written, albeit not in Oxford English, as some misinformed soul noted. Very entertaining stuff, this. It's the old animosity between the hallowed houses of commerce and politics. The moneyed men are no more debased than the career politicians. Hence, the mutual disdain. The thief scorns the whore. The nouveau riche, the parvenu wailing at the pedigreed, old money lads. Alas, the Delhi sperm ensconced in its conveyance of Germanic provenance is miscreant equal of the Mumbai sperm festooned in its pimp ride of similar origins. Poor pimps.
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I always think of Delhi as a scarred city. Mumbai was scarred twice in last twenty years: on 26/11 last year and in early nineties: Delhi has undergone glory and humiliation more times. What looks like assumed seriousness could be a signature of hurt that stays... Perhaps, you'd like to read Khushwant's Delhi, for all it is worth. I think that book captures the relationship a Delhiwallah has for the city quite well (My thoughts after reading the novel: http://viveksharmaiitd.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-thoughts-after-reading-de... )
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I always think of Delhi as a scarred city. Mumbai was scarred twice in last twenty years: on 26/11 last year and in early nineties: Delhi has undergone glory and humiliation more times. What looks like assumed seriousness could be a signature of hurt that stays... Perhaps, you'd like to read Khushwant's Delhi, for all it is worth. I think that book captures the relationship a Delhiwallah has for the city quite well (My thoughts after reading the novel: http://viveksharmaiitd.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-thoughts-after-reading-de... )
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I love delhi oye. Oye oye oye.
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The writer has a problem. And Bombay's very own Munnabhai might say, we should all give him a rose each, especially Delhiites. We are all unfortunate, according to the writer, to have lived in delhi for so long. The city has, in its own way, modified our minds, changed us into men who can never manage to talk to the eyes of a girl (they prefer to look a little lower). Mumbai of course is the great city.
"Bombay is a natural city, like all great port cities of the world. It was not created." Manu and Shyamal, did you do your research well. I hope you know the city of Mumbai, as it exists today, was actually seven islands which were joined together by the British. Yes, it has the natural advantage of a coastline. But you didnt create it, did you. And Neither did I create Delhi.
So what is the fuss about. I dont know which part of the city you stay in, but it seems you havent encountered much of Mumbai yourself.
And interestingly, neither of you is a native of Mumbai (Joseph=Mallu; Banerjee=Bong). Didnt you like your own city that you had to come to Mumbai. This might exactly be the refrain if suddenly, someday, a Marathi-manus decides he's had enough and you have taken away his job being an outsider. At that point of time, you will no longer love Mumbai for what it is, a natural city cause the people here might not be like people in Delhi, but shitheads in their own right.
Again, you havent even done your research properly on Delhi. All journos are taught that before writing a story, keep your biases aside and do an objective research. If you had digged a little deeper, you would have seen that Delhi has its own dark history and that is what makes it what it is. Most natives of Delhi are people who had to face the trauma of a partition. Ask anyone who has stayed in Lajpat Nagar for 50 years or in Karol Bagh for that long and he will tell you what they came to the city with back then. Nothing. And they struggled. Made a life for themselves. Businesses which employed lakhs of people. And they want their kids to have everything that they missed in life. So they spoil their kids, give them the BMW toys to play with. I do not agree with them completely but thats them. Their kind of affection.
Like Mumbai, delhi is now a city full of migrants. Delhi has a lot more real estate activity happening so long more laboureres from UP and Bihar coming in. One example of a Jat cannot be a stereotype delhiite.
Every Mumbaikar one comes across has a rant ready about Delhi. But every delhiite who goes to Mumbai loves it. You might think it proves something. "See delhiites like Mumbai because it is a better city," you might say but it proves something else--that Mumbaikar are negative people. delhiites look at the filth of Mumbai and can still see the positives.
As most journalists, you would never read all the comments, or actually none at all. Most journalists are too busy with their next article/story/edit to think about what they have already written and published. But I really hope you do read all the comments on your story.
I was hoping to pick up the issue of OPEN. But i am surprised how the editors of the magazine wasted so much space on a RANT.
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Dilli hai dil waalon ki
Aur dilwaale duniya le jaayenge
Read Akhilesh Mittal's column Itihaas for details
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Hey, Author.
It's interesting what you've written, because assuredly, only a retard could have so a high an opinion of oneself while writing such a load of pretentious tripe. I had nothing against Bombay till date, but by appointing yourself its spokesperson, you've shown it to be a sad, pitiful city, so filled with a narcissistic self-loathing, that irrational words of hatred against Delhi are its only salvation.
Move to Delhi, you'll be a happier person than this, i guarantee it.
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And who are you again? Since when does Mumbai have an official caretaker? I lived there a while ago and there was no election for this post then. Have things degraded in that city to such an extemnt that they had to appoint someone like you to protect it's own unique character?
All cities have character, my vescerally impoverished friend! Some acpects of that character are good, some are bad and some are ugly but they all come together to define the character that is the city. And character just is - it doesn't need any defence. Just like if I called you a person who may be suffering from some sort of inferiority complex, I'm sure you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself, now would you?
In much the same way, I do not feel the need to defend Delhi! It's a great city and just happens to be the capital of this magnificent country, which it appears from your vacuous diatribe you seem to abhor! But then I suppose, since you don't like yourself very much, it must be difficult to actually feel anything for the country that gave birth to you and your parents!
Come over and let me show you this ancient city steeped in history. Maybe you'll learn something.
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Its a boring article and has been presented in a boring way as well. Who is bothered abt delhi being Xy and Bombay being XX. both are hopeless cities which have sold their sould long ago..
a perfect DIGITAL WASTE
vijay
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enjoyed reading the article and agree with the author on my things he writes about Delhi.
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Mumbai is truly an island which developed its own ethos divorced from rest of the country.It was never a cantonment nor was it ruled by a royalties.A merchant city and those who excelled in business could rise to the top,so it does not have the traditional hierarchies found in rest of the country.
The city has western architecture and the residents are brought up in a cityscape which has more resemblance to London.It is not a city with temples,mosques or mogul monuments like rest of India.The residents prospered with British and their fortunes were more closely related to happening in England than rest of India.Mumbai has developed almost independently from rest of India.It was conceived as a world trade city with people invited from all over the place to trade,and it continues as such.
Delhi can be compared with many other cities in India,But due to its past Mumbai is sui generis,it cannot be compared with any city in India.Therefore the comparison with Delhi and Mumbai is futile.Its like comparing one apple with one orange in a heap of oranges.One can have comparison amongst the oranges in the heap.
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Mumbai is truly an island which developed its own ethos divorced from rest of the country.It was never a cantonment nor was it ruled by a royalties.A merchant city and those who excelled in business could rise to the top,so it does not have the traditional hierarchies found in rest of the country.
The city has western architecture and the residents are brought up in a cityscape which has more resemblance to London.It is not a city with temples,mosques or mogul monuments like rest of India.The residents prospered with British and their fortunes were more closely related to happening in England than rest of India.Mumbai has developed almost independently from rest of India.It was conceived as a world trade city with people invited from all over the place to trade,and it continues as such.
Delhi can be compared with many other cities in India,But due to its past Mumbai is sui generis,it cannot be compared with any city in India.Therefore the comparison with Delhi and Mumbai is futile.Its like comparing one apple with one orange in a heap of oranges.One can have comparison amongst the oranges in the heap.
Such articles only reinforce the prejudices people have developed from their interactions in these cities.
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Mumbai is truly an island which developed its own ethos divorced from rest of the country.It was never a cantonment nor was it ruled by a royalties.A merchant city and those who excelled in business could rise to the top,so it does not have the traditional hierarchies found in rest of the country.
The city has western architecture and the residents are brought up in a cityscape which has more resemblance to London.It is not a city with temples,mosques or mogul monuments like rest of India.The residents prospered with British and their fortunes were more closely related to happening in England than rest of India.Mumbai has developed almost independently from rest of India.It was conceived as a world trade city with people invited from all over the place to trade,and it continues as such.
Delhi can be compared with many other cities in India,But due to its past Mumbai is sui generis,it cannot be compared with any city in India.Therefore the comparison with Delhi and Mumbai is futile.Its like comparing one apple with one orange in a heap of oranges.One can have comparison amongst the oranges in the heap.
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You went overboard on the generalization here. Exaggeration can be fun i agree, but u just overdid it.
Ever lived in delhi?
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It's obvious that the writer is a frustrated "Joe" who can't bare to see the prosperity of a city like Delhi and it's inhabitants because he hasn't done or worked enough in life to gain anything from it. So why not rant?
It's article based on heresay and exaggeration more out of contempt for a city rather than out of perspective. Get a life, spend some quality time in Delhi, get to know the people. One random visit to JNU doesn't give you the right to define a city. If people and their sperms can drive BMW's then it's because they've earned it. Delhi is just not one big city of beaurocrats but normal people who perhaps rant less and work more to gain and flaunt.
And TOI is the big daddy of journalism?!?!? Is that tabloid journalism????? Shut up, sit down and drown your head in a bucket of cold water. Instead of moaning about what other's have and you don't work hard, rant less and always write in an objective way. Maybe you'll have a BMW of your own to drive someday.
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It's obvious that the writer is a frustrated "Joe" who can't bare to see the prosperity of a city like Delhi and it's inhabitants because he hasn't done or worked enough in life to gain anything from it. So why not rant?
It's article based on heresay and exaggeration more out of contempt for a city rather than out of perspective. Get a life, spend some quality time in Delhi, get to know the people. One random visit to JNU doesn't give you the right to define a city. If people and their sperms can drive BMW's then it's because they've earned it. Delhi is just not one big city of beaurocrats but normal people who perhaps rant less and work more to gain and flaunt.
And TOI is the big daddy of journalism?!?!? Is that tabloid journalism????? Shut up, sit down and drown your head in a bucket of cold water. Instead of moaning about what other's have and you don't work hard, rant less and always write in an objective way. Maybe you'll have a BMW of your own to drive someday.
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No idea how this old article popped up on the screen, but anyways, here's my pav-bhaaji keema-naan worth - both cities, actually now they are city states, have evolved differently over the past few decades that I have seen them do so. Having spent almost equal time in the downtown/central parts of these two cities as well as their extended suburbs (New Bombay, Pune, NOIDA, Gurgaon . . .) I can say this:-
Bombay''s going rural, insular, non-inclusive. Barring the baba-baby log English speaking bunch, the rest of the mega-city is a collection of people who want to be like each other, preferably boring. Public transport has decayed, which is the sign of things to come kind of outpost marker. The powerful politicians there are all scared of stepping out of their part of Mumbai.
Delhi's going cosmo, inclusive, barring the babu-lot who are confined to the babu enclaves. And the money spent on Metro/BRT is doing wonders for public transport, as a marker - the Metro doesn't need a separate "ladies compartment", which is a big statement. The politicians in Delhi have become globe-trotters and patrons of world arts.
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Bombay going down, Delhi swinging up. Simple as that. Me, I live and work out of both cities.
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Manu, isn't it time you replied to this thread?
This is the most commented article on OPEN Magazine, albeit for all the wrong reasons and confounding logic prated by you in the text.
Have you ever given a serious thought to what these comments signify, the collective opinion about the two cities which are loved by everyone in equal measures but never contrasted and compared on some Neanderthal parameter like you.
Stirring up the hornet's nest by rousing public opinion on the basis of communal and sectarian rants isn't the best way to increase your PageRank, it's exactly people like you who should be kicked out from such public forums.
The article comments are a proof that people from both the cities have a head firmly affixed on their shoulders.
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tch, and to think I just twittered with a link to this website saying "excellent insightful articles, for those who love to read". Guess i jumped the gun. I am a delhiite and this isn't the first time I have come across a Delhi vs Mumbai debate. My stand is usually something on the lines of "Apples and Oranges..". This is a classic case of putting one's views to text just because you know you can, and you don't care about much else. This type of text is exactly what separates the kind of journos who can take a step back and write an unbiased piece of text on their subject, from the kinds who will stand behind "artistic licence" and blurt out what they feel like in the name of journalism. You unfortunately resorted to the latter. I have read quite a few peices on delhi/mum, and they have been much much well written compared to this drivel. And I wish I could emphasize my disposition here much more as a reader, than a delhiite, but I guess I run that risk.
Anyone who has ever been in Delhi or mumbai or both, and reads up enough knows how much of all the above hogwash is true. Your much-too-apparent peppering of a few irrelevant niceties about delhi here and there to dull the edge doesn't work out too well, brother. No point dragging excerpts from this article into a debate. I know Delhi's fallacies and they deject me just as much as the next guy. But do not be fooled. I know where mumbai stands just as much. These are two different cities with their own charm and issues. Its when people 'vent' instead of comment, that stuff like this comes out. I signed up on dadlani's petition against the proposed 350 crore ShivaJi statue in mumbai, because I like to think we are similar people dealing with similar set of issues in two different kinds of cities. But then its people like you who jaywalk onto the scene typing away articles like these on their 13 inch macbooks like they know what people in delhi and mumbai are all about.
You disappoint me. To no end. I should say, I have no respect for you as a journalist. I do admire your articulation skills and penchant for dark humor. But thats where it ends.
You just took the shine off my new-found fondness to this otherwise brilliant website. Fortunately for me I still like this site well enough to continue roaming the halls here. Just hope not to run into your pompous self again.
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I have lived in this city for almost 12 years now. the more i live here the more i hate it and the general attitude of the people and the 'Delhi culture' is the root cause of it. i am surprised that my own feelings on this matter has been relfected, rather brought out so well in this article. I appreciate honesty, not fake pride that is evident in many people in this city.
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I have lived in this city for almost 12 years now. the more i live here the more i hate it and the general attitude of the people and the 'Delhi culture' is the root cause of it. i am surprised that my own feelings on this matter has been relfected, rather brought out so well in this article. I appreciate honesty, not fake pride that is evident in many people in this city.
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:) just that so many of us read and responded to your article - says a lot - what it says, I'm not saying - and frankly perhaps dont know too!!
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This is absolutely hogwash ! Though I must give you credit for some accurate aspects of Delhi life described. But overall, not at all in the best taste. The entire scenario depicted in this article is from an indiviual who may have spent some time in Delhi but did not get the expected satisfaction. Hence, Delhi has the kind of mentality/mindset described above, so prooved ! Pretty mundane stuff. Anyone who knows Delhi will never talk imagine Delhi the way its been described. Mumbai is on another tangent altogether. Cannot compare the two great cities. Everything has its flaws, so do cities. Lets not deteriorate the image of Delhi !
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Accurate or not. Right or not. I absolutely enjoyed reading this! It has that punch which is seldom achieved by writers today.
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While the article is a great read, it probably is very biased opinion about a city from someone who is probably a visitor at most. For someone who has spent a considerable amount of time and explored the landscape and virtues of both the cities, I believe its not the entire picture though u will have to agree with a lot of observations the author has made. There is nothing crazier than the rat race of Bombay( hope Raj Thackeray doesn't mob my house for calling it that) and the absolute loss of the meaning of life and what we are all here to do.
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This is so badly written, forget about being narrow minded and myopic. It is immensely ironic that having accused Delhi of elitism, and being "like a rich man's son" the 'author' makes the most elitist statement imaginable:
"Delhi mental condition which is incurable—a fake intensity, a fraudulent concern for ‘issues’, the grand stand. Readers, on the other hand, have many interests today apart from democracy, policies and the perpetual misery of the poor."
When you start belittling the importance and relevance of issues, democracy, policies and the misery of the poor, well only one thing can follow - welcome Shiv Sena, MNS, and cultural/linguistic chauvinism in general. ... Read More
Honestly, the author sounds more "like a rich man's son" (which he probably is) than the city he is enjoying having a go at. I truly hope (and I do believe) that the average Mumbaiite does not reflect the thinking of this depraved lunatic.
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waah....what an attempt towards deepening north indian-maharashtrian divide! it is one thing to highlight drawbacks that delhi has- i totally agree that there are innumerable- and quite another to hold such comparative study with extreme bitterness.
if you feel mumbai is great and has earned its privileges then devote your article to that and if you think that there are undeserving privileged brats in delhi, who are capable of making any woman's life a living hell, then remain focus on that.
i am all up for freedom of speech and taking humor in right stride, but unfortunately the only thing this article does is to highlight that people living in two major cities are so unbelievably disgruntled with one another.
Wow.....and as a kid i always wondered what the freaking hell is "Regionalism"?!!
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journalism that creates rifts between two place in a country, is the last thing that this country wants..you have kind of romanitsed the whole anti Delhi notion..while it may be right in parts but that doesn't do any good for anybody..for the Delhites or the Mumbaites!!
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I am not a Delhite or a Mumbaikar. But I find your article disgusting. Mumbai is a respectable city a great city as a matter of fact. Whats with the Delhi hate, can't you talk good about Mumbai, without criticizing Delhi or any other city.
Do you believe Mumbai doesn't has it's flaw. Are you aware that living in Mumbai reduces your life expectancy? Do you think despite all the corruption the terror attacks keep happening in Mumbai and thats how the incompetent city is (Don't give the crap the city is separate from the official bodies no it is not, they are as much responsible and part of the city as its citizens). Is it the same city, who you believe to safe for women but a poor Taxi wala from UP/Bihar (from TN some 25 years back) is afraid to leave his taxi and go home lest MNS activist might come and break it.
What you feel so proud of, the Bandra Worli Sea Link which allows only 4 wheelers and reduce the commute time of Urban Elite while the majority of population gets stuffed in the Local Trains in a scary manner and commute?
So refrain from the regionalism comments, praise your city allow everyone to appreciate it. Don't try to get on the popularity wagon by defaming others.
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Everyplace has a character and a reason for it to be so. I agree with all 'characters' of delhi and mumbai in the post above and disagree with most of the reasons at which the author attempts to jump. Like the post otherwise.
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I think the author is unaware of the fact that the city that he constantly refers to as 'Bombay' in the article has been renamed to Mumbai a long time back. I hope he takes notice of this and makes the necessary changes.
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As a person who has lived in both cities and belongs originally to neither, I must say that both are terribly flawed.
The infrastructure in Mumbai sucks. You pay 20 K for a little hole. The decibel levels are abysmal, and it's hard to find good food that isn't exorbitantly priced. And the average working professional wants to be perceived as well-read, well-travelled, and been there done that (and they probably have but should shut up anyways!)
5 minutes in Delhi could be 5 hours, 5 months or never; you never know! The traffic is nasty, and even the vehicles have an economic-socio hierarchy (Rana Dasgupta would know, he chronicled it in an essay!). And you meet a certain breed that is so wannabe, it's embarrassing!
So, residents of both cities, do get off your high horses and acknowledge that there's a lot to be desired in BOTH.............
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Or alternatively, much to be despised in both. I've lived in both cities too. I loathe Delhi more than I loathe Bombay, which is why I choose to live in Bombay now. Unfortunately, for most people trying to make it big, there are really only two choices, Delhi or Bombay. Bangalore, Calcutta, Hyderabad, Chennai... they've got a lot of growing up to do.
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I am a TamBram brought up in Delhi and am living in Pune for last 4 years. I had a blast reading the article for the humor and naked hatred it breeds. The author is guilty of the same intellectual snobbery he accuses Delhi journalists of having. For the record TOI is garbage and should be used to cover bins. "Yellow Journalism" is a phrase coined for TOI.
A lot of the authors point are however are valid. Delhi has a babu and juggad culture with rich brats roaming the streets and considering girls are their exclusive right to tease and molest. But can only one story define a city?
Is Raj Thackrey an example of Marathi Manoos or will you say Hemant Karkare is the shining light of Mumbai......
Please do not fall into the easy trap of caricaturing cities. Language is a weapon that can be mightier than any bomb. Raj Thackrey has shown that recently when he a builder roaming around in a 30 L car, claims he can restore Marathi asmita and gets people to vote for him. You have great talent at writing. Please think more before you write.
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whatever truth is here is the truth of whole of india, its just that the exploitation of power is more in delhi than anywhere else if you want to experience the same set of feelings in bombay get in touch with people of MNS or make freinds with someone in film industry apart from the huge infrastructure of the city they will give you all what is mentioned above, go to some non tourist places of kerela and tamilnadu and you can find the biggest perverts and alchoholics of all time, i dont know what crap did the author want to convey, title shud be "why bombay hates india" and the rest of the state people will also carry on in the same fashion "why tamil nadu hates north india including BOMBAY", talk about india dude, this is us and it prevails in every part of india.
Stupid blogs and media should not be the right source for understanding a culture, i have lived thruout india and have experience the life real time, I experienced the best of times and harshest of times in each state just BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD BAD and the UGLY in every state. it seems the author is more "jealous" for bombay not being able to exploit the power to same level. there are good families all over india and there are these miscreants all over india, but we as indians have the habit of bashing each other and are more than happy to do so, otherwise a handful of Britishers could never have ruled us. even today in the corporate culture only an Indian is the one pulling a fellow Indian down and the same person will be happy to lick a fair skinned ass.
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What is wrong with inherited wealth? Even when you go about earning your wealth in a white collar job as you suggest; your upbringing , parents education and circumstances play a big role in how far you can go. I run a startup http://www.mobikwik.com and am flaunting it here. Delhiites like to flaunt their wealth and I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it does not harm anyone.
What is it with Bongs and hating Delhi? Seriously?
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Apart from the dark humour/sarcasm, the post does bring out some differences.
Agreed TOI is not something to be proud of, agreed there is lot of dirt under the carpet, agreed that corporatism is rampant. Both are as cosmopolitan. But it doesn't take away the fact that Delhi has been pampered all the while Mumbai keeps believing in silent hardwork. Mumbai realizes that life is not only about BMWs and getting laid, and moves on (sometimes to the point of being taken granted). Mumbai doesn't meddle in others' lives (sometimes to the point of apathy).
Mumbai is just more jealous of Delhi and not really hateful.
Please understand that generalized statements do NOT apply to everyone.
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After reading this, am rather thankful indian media still operates from Delhi..ateast we are spared from such utterly useless subjective monologue...Have you ever been to Delhi??like really...or are you one of those intellectuals whom you so well described in your article..
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I found the ending note about Bollywood and the change in it rather insightful. I personally enjoyed the article, and am not sure why others have taken it so personally. But then, I'm a Mumbaiya and maybe I'm biased! :)
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A mallu and a bong got together to write this? Wow! I should not have expected anything better. And yes, there are people other than jats and sardars who live in Delhi. People don't get thrown out because they are from a certain region. Delhi is like a mother and Mumbai like the 'high maintainence' women who won't give you a look to recognise your existence. And we all know who it is that we want to impress.
And seriously, what is up with the mallu-bong partnerships? I see them happening all the time.
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This article time and again smells of the frustration of some one who was trampled by a northie. Maybe the northie scored with the chick this guy was interested in or he got his sorry behind whipped by some northie "Jaat" Whatever maybe the case it still shows how much agony people will feel if someone get his dough in inheritance. Whats with you guys ??? Is it our fault that your predecessors did not leave you a cent ?? Or that while our forefathers toiled in the sun, yours got married and popped out kids with assembly line speed ?? All this banter about double standards of northies made me laugh. These same Mumbaikars who complain about the rich of Delhi, how the Delhites spend on their marriages , how extravagant they are .. are simply jealous that they can never life a royal life. Sure its easy to downplay anything you cant have ... a BMW is just a pile of steel but when your dad buys one for you or should I say IF your dad BOUGHT one for you , you wouldnt be complaining.
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Though everyone reviles the rich industrialist's son, doesn't everyone want to be him, live his life, drive his car? or maybe a better point would be-doesn't everyone want to give THEIR kids the same kind of material possessions that the DEBAUCHED KID from DELHI got from his dad.. Cmon guys, u accuse Delhi of being fake and shallow..i ask you.. which city isn't?? rn't u the same? lamenting and whining all the time...
and please stop your Pseudo intellectual nonsense about Mumbai being so much about substance and Delhi being Gas..there will be rich party ladies with their faces pumped full of botox in evry major city in the world throwing 7000 bucks per head parties for the benefit of arts, orphans or maybe retired cricketers(anything works really).. there will be foolhardy young people in every city who dream of changing the world but end up joining the rat race... THAT is NOT a phenomenon unique to Delhi...GAS IS EVERYBLOODYWHERE!!!!!!!
Mumbai is possibly the greatest city in India but isnt Mumbai what it is because of the collective efforts of artists, moneymakers, starry eyed kids who moved to Mumbai in droves to be a part of something bigger than themselves?? isnt bollywood great because a bengali director made a movie (with gujarati money) starring a frustated Kashmiri actor(a product of your NSD, with its phoney distaste of money) and a Tam-Brahm actress, which became a runaway hit in mumbai AND the rest of India as well???
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I'm a Goan and having stayed both in Delhi and Mumbai, I have reached the conclusion that though both the cities are addictive and much flawed, what tilts the scale towards mumbai is a thin line that divides bad from evil. Mumbai is bad whereas Delhi is evil. Delhi lacks in ethics. In Delhi it is okay to have no manners or humanity. Nobody expects you to be a good human being, not the family and definately not the society. In mumbai there are mothers who still has the time to inculcate ethics and discipline in their children... society who will forget religion in an emergency and rush to rescue. That is the only but a major difference between the two. Delhites will not understand it. How will they when they have never been made to understand how important being humane is to being the smartest or the most prosperous one. How will they when that is something they have never been taught? Don't believe me, read the reactions of the Delhites carefully and you will know. They are the reactions of those who hate criticism of any sort. They are not hurt. They are angry because someone dared. No offence meant. Maybe in future they will understand and change or maybe Mumbai might go the Delhi way...
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tasty, tasty article.
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So basically, its totally okay for you to trash Delhi when your oh-so-perfect Mumbia is more than happy to let its residents in their high-rise buildings sleep peacefully when right outside the gates of their communities, living in the same city, lie millions of destitute people who survive in huts made of forgotten rubbish and empty tin cans? I don't think so. And who are you to typify the people from JNU? Is it so convenient for you to exclude those admirable people in JNU who spend their lives working for the sake of the very same poor destitute people in YOUR city Mumbai while residing and keeping part-time research jobs in JNU? I'm not saying Delhi is perfect, but let me tell you Mumbai has more than enough deficiencies of its own and it would be a better use of your time to concentrate on solving those before you start hating on other cities.
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Oh also, I actually have friends (a few of the "real" people you might occasionally once in a blue moon see in your version of Delhi) who actually work very hard with the National School of Drama and spend a lot of time and effort producing plays which are accessible to all because guess what, they charge a NOMINAL price so anyone regardless of how poor/rich they are can watch those plays and enjoy them. Obviously though for you, those people who actually have an intellec t and choose to watch plays produced by NSD are highly narrow minded compared to your wonderful citizens of Mumbai who line up to see Abhishek Bachchan get married to Aishwarya Rai and also get beaten up by the police in the process, oh yes what a wonderfully intellectually stimulating activity THAT must be right?
And for God's sake, you're a journalist you have the power to get your word across to people, why don't you try concetrating on real issues for a change and actually make a difference in India instead of creating this petty divides which noone really cares about. Its like you're saying that if Mumbai has a terrorist attack and say 50 people die in Mumbai and then the next day Delhi has the same attack and 50 more people die, well then I guess your opinion would parallel your "smoke" or "fog" analogy in that really a terrorist attack on Delhiites isn't such a calamity because really, Delhiites aren't worth that much anyway. Fod god's sake we're INDIANS first. Use what you have for the good, and don't make false statements about people and places you clearly have such a limited connection with.
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I completely agree with you. I know it is a massive generalization, but male Delhi-ites are disgusting people and it doesn't have anything to do with being rich. It's spread way beyond that. I have encountered many people from Delhi who are from good families, some well-to-do and some not so much, and if you spend enough time with them, they are all the same. The outside may be candy coated with good manners and an acquired niceness but once you actually get to know them, they you'll see first-hand their barbaric, backward thinking processes, and it really is very scary to think that this guy is supposed to be my friend. The things that Delhi guys consider as normal, and say in a general conversation ranges from anything between "I raped her because she was a slut" to "They didn't give me respect so I burnt their house down" to "Girls like being gang raped". And some of my friends told me these are actually the decent delhi-ites; some of them that they've encountered have been a lot worse. Mumbai has it's share of problems (which are probably a lot worse than Delhi's) but a lot of Mumbai's problems originate in decisions made in Delhi. I just wanted to put my two cents in about Delhi guys.
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I always thought journalism was unbiased and honest. there are two sides to each coin my friend. you are just seeing one. I shifted from bombay to delhi some years back, and like you i was surrounded by people wishing me luck for moving to such a city. but when i got here i realised that this place has its share of issues, but hey, who does'nt. what you need is a good dose of this city, which knows how to chill out and have fun. here people know how to balance their work and social life, two people can have a fight one moment and slap each other on the back in the next and be friends. Not everyone here is bad, if you talking about politicians - bombay has the maz issues - i'm pretty sure every Indian is aware and i dont have to list all the riots that were caused there. If you are talking in terms of competition - the corporate world there is completely cut throat and i dont think your that naive to believe people got their by staying best friends. and for your sake i really hope u dont mean it in terms of discrimination- cause in delhi you dont have to speak in a ceratin language to be accepted. nor are the ministers here asked to swear an oath for serving the nation in a regional language. While bombay was once the place you talk about, it is no longer so. The people arent the same, and the mindset has become extremely narrow. The one city which welcomed people with open arms - now has the maximum discriminations. so the next time you write against or for a particular place, take some time off, relax and visit a place, cause it sounds you really do need a break from bombay...oops my mistake..before i'm arrested i correct myself - MUMBAI!!!!!!
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Loved the bit about car accelerator and the impact it could or couldn't have on Delhi lasses. And of the sperm. Reminds me of this Mohitoz Law on a Delhi-ite: http://mohitoz.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/law-of-manu-sharma/
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