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Manu Joseph became a journalist because he didn’t have to crack any objective-type entrance exam to be one. His first novel, Serious Men, is the winner of The Hindu Best Fiction Award. It is one of Huffington Post’s 10 Best Books of 2010, and was shortlisted for the Man Asian Literary Prize 2010. He is the editor of Open.

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Are Indian Hackers Any Good?

In light of the Chinese hacking into the Indian Government’s computers, a look at why India has not been able to raise its own army of lethal hackers.
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Tagged Under | India | China | hacking | computers
The cream of the truly gifted is very thin, and beneath the top layer is a huge mass of plodders who cannot escape their own mediocrity because they are not groomed by an efficient system.

I imagine there is a pub in China where there is a giant screen that plays visuals of Indians saying the many things that only Indians say, and I imagine Chinese men all around rolling on the floor with laughter. What else can they do when we say things like, “Indian Chinese food is superior to Chinese Chinese”? It seems they now have a deeper reason to laugh when you consider the latest reports that say computers in China have hacked into the systems of the Indian Defence Ministry and of our consulates in several nations, compromising information on weapons, diplomacy, Naxalites and even the poor Dalai Lama. This exposes our digital naiveté. And that is very amusing, really.

One of our favorite national delusions is that in a South Indian city which is occasionally run by peasants, a town that does not have adequate power supply or roads, there resides a beast called the Software Giant. We imagine that our success as a cheap labourer who fixes and manages the innovations of others is a prelude to our eventual standing as a high-end software power. There is even a view that China’s goal of becoming the factory of the world is a blue-collared aspiration compared to our destiny as a cerebral force.

But the truth is, as in almost every sphere of Indian life, the cream of the truly gifted is very thin; beneath the top layer is a huge mass of plodders who cannot escape their own mediocrity because they are not groomed by an efficient system. Security observers tell me that this is the reason why India has not been able to raise an army of hackers even though outfits like the National Technical Research Organisation (a late child of the Research & Analysis Wing) have been trying hard to achieve that. There are not that many people with extraordinary skills, and there are no meaningful processes in place to groom the ordinary. “Also, there is in-fighting and mistrust among various intelligence wings,” a security expert says. On the other hand, the increasing sophistication of Chinese hackers points to an efficient and well-funded system there that identifies and trains serious talent.

A hacker is usually a brilliant programmer who can dismantle the elaborate and sophisticated defences of computer networks. A few years ago I interviewed several Indian hackers. Most of them were boys who at that time were too young to get married or vote, though they were not very interested in either. All of them had parallel lives, names and fame online, they could spend days on their computers, and they shared a mild hatred for one Ankit Fadia who they said knew nothing. I asked one of them, “Are you guys good, are Indian hackers any good?” A few hours after my story on Indian hackers appeared, I got a call from him asking me to check the online version of the story on the magazine’s website. Holding his call, I checked. The story had a rating of 12 stars out of a maximum of 10 stars. He said, “I can make it 20 out of ten if you want.”

I presume the stunt was his answer to my question if Indian hackers were any good. Some of them routinely hacked into gaming websites to win prizes like bicycles, or they made nice-looking girls scream in the middle of the night by making their CD drives open and close in a paranormal way. But for such cuteness, Indian hackers were never really considered a force by other hackers. That was because, they told me, they were not a single monolithic group; also they didn’t want to do any harm. They simply legalised their talent by becoming corporate security consultants and made a lot of money while they were still very young.

There were frail attempts by the Indian Government to recruit some of them. A 24-year-old boy was approached by someone claiming to be from ‘The Defence’. “He wanted me to set up cells of hackers who would try and break into important Pakistani sites. But finally when I told him that it will cost a few lakh, he said he will sanction Rs 5,000 first and send the rest in installments.” (There is no evidence to suggest that the caller was indeed from the Government.)

Today, I am told, there are several Indian hackers working for the Government, but they are still not an organised force. They await a system with efficient methods and clear goals, like most of us in our own worlds.

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Well, you are writing about something that we already know. Of course I can say that do not mistake our patience for our weakness, but let me share the other side of this aspect.

Many years back, when we gave a presentation on about 300+ Govt sites that were vulnerable, some of the media guys asked - "what is so important on that websever? it is supposed to give information. You can also register so what's the big deal?" - They missed the big picture. Looking back, we have come a long way. You must appreciate the fact that NTRO is at least taking the right steps to make way for ethical hackers to be recognized and given due credit. I understand the political will and awareness is scarce, but does not mean we are not good.

Today, if you inform a company that their site is vulnerable, what do you expect their reaction is? They won't acknowledge the mail, thinking it will risk their brand reputation. Any further attempts will result them in giving a legal threat - for trying to help them! Why would an ethical hacker bother of all that pain? So its much easier to get into corporate and earn money.

Speaking of Ankit Fadia, with all due respect, one must give him credit for popularizing the concept of Ethical hacking across India. Forget the Intelligence agencies trusting each other, we do not even respect our own people!

As for organized force, there are bigger issues one has to talk about. Like gathering political will and support for signing the Convention on Cyber Crime treaty, or amending the IT Act Law by recommendations from the corporate / Private sector.

On other thoughts, the question is not about Indian hackers being good.. but do we need to like get back at people? to prove something? It only increases the problem of Cyber war, instead of focusing on educating and creating more awareness for cyber crime prevention.

Rajshekhar Murthy
for www.isac.org.in
readme: www.thebluegenius.com

11 April 2010 | Rajshekhar Murthy

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13 April 2010 | :)

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“Are you guys good, are Indian hackers any good?” A few hours after my story on Indian hackers appeared, I got a call from him asking me to check the online version of the story on the magazine’s website. Holding his call, I checked. The story had a rating of 12 stars out of a maximum of 10 stars. He said, “I can make it 20 out of ten if you want.”

Defacing a website or changing the stars doesn't even require hacking skills. From what I've been told (I'm no techie) there are many readymade software available.

"Speaking of Ankit Fadia, with all due respect, one must give him credit for popularizing the concept of Ethical hacking across India. Forget the Intelligence agencies trusting each other, we do not even respect our own people!"

Ankit Fadia deserves credit for popularizing the concept of ethical hacking in the same way India TV deserves credit for popularising the concept of news.

13 April 2010 | Jaideep Dave

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>>Defacing a website or changing the stars doesn't even require hacking skills. From what I've been told (I'm no techie) there are many readymade software available.
+1 on Jaideep's comment above.

>>That was because, they told me, they were not a single monolithic group; also they didn’t want to do any harm.
hehe! As said above, people who do such stuff are not hackers but mere script kiddies. Please get your facts right, dear author. Also, I hope you have read something about the true hacker culture and it's evolution. And if you are confused about the terminlogy, you can refer to what is called the jargon file. Throughout the article you are talking of crackers and using the wrong name, I'd say.

And talking of that 'South Indian city run by peasants', it is simply a matter of business involving cheap labour and has got nothing to do with 'talent'. Simple rule, you get what you pay for. And btw, that was a totally disconnected topic. Maybe another dedicated article (needless to say, with proper research) can help. As a matter of fact, it's already a beaten-to-death topic everywhere around, lest you have not heard it before.

Had almost forgotten. @rajshekar murthy
>>Speaking of Ankit Fadia, with all due respect, one must give him credit for popularizing the concept of Ethical hacking across India.
Really? What that certified ethical idiot did harmed more than anything else and simply elevated the already present doubts about so called 'group' discussed in the article above.

Thanks.

PS: On another note, having an option to preview the comment would really help.

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Dear yet-another-anonymous letter-writer,

Scriptkiddies and crackers do a set of elementary things. That does not mean (you can use your commonsense here) hackers do not or cannot perform those tasks. The people I had interviewed earlier (who did have condescending views of Scriptkiddies etc) also performed simple disruptive tasks for fun.

Manu Joseph

15 April 2010 | Manu Joseph

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May I know the credentials of the Author to speak so flippantly on such exhaustive topics as computer hacking ? Does he have a tech background or does editorial license give one the power to make wild guesses on topics as elusive as the digital underground.

13 July 2010 | Rahul

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No. Listen to this interview-talk with one of the Indian Hacker group name whitehatguru
http://signal.hackerspaces.org/archive/2010-10-21-2200-talking-anthropol...

these indian hackers are ethical and I dont think they can do any harm to the nation

26 October 2010 | varun

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I am confused. I though hackers were illegal. Why would we permit such a covert behavior within the media of the internet. Or am I missing something here?

Regards,
Bob Ivor Spokes
IVR

25 March 2011 | Bob Ivor Spokes

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How much do you know about hacking and what goes on that dark world to write an article?? From the article itself, it seems it has been written best little or no substance. Why would anyone ever ever tell reporters about the hackings they do... especially if they do serious hacking.

FYI - there is actually multiple hacking groups that the government runs. I do know one where the team recruited people from IIT delhi. Not only do these people get paid 3-4 times the salary their peers get... it all tax free.

Please do proper unbiased research before plainting such stuff in the public. In case its not possible, te advice is to refrain from such attemepts.

1 July 2011 | shantanu

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Really a hard question to answer. After all the best hackers are the ones who are never caught, so we never know what nationality they are. Most certainly there are some high level Indian hackers out there but just who and how many, we will never know.

Robert

13 July 2011 | Robert Ivor Spokes

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